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hey hey,

congratulations for the first safe trip

What do you mean exactly with low speed manouvering? Will it go always to one side?

Are you sure it not the "prop walk"? Sounds not usual....

But look to the good things - speed is what you need - now you got it

Best regards,

Woody

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I didn't mean to remain anchored by the stern. I meant to attach the anchor rope to the stern for retrieval only.

It seems in theory much easier to just motor forward one boat length, clip the rope (still attached to the bow) to the stern via a carabine clip, turn around (or forward on a wide arc) and motor away without having to avoid loose rope etc.

Got some moorings sorted now, shall probably go out at the weekend hope I can afford the gas.

-> sorry - was a missunderstanding....(but the trick with the buoy works pretty fine also this way ;-)

-> Yes retrieval is much more safe from the cockpit....

Hope you find a good place for your boat. I wish you a nice trip on the weekend!

See you.

Woody

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moin moin,

Does size matter with the drift anchor?.. I mean like is there a size where it becomes a problem or just get as big as I have space for?

Tore Jan Skeie at Baardsen picked out all the anchor equipment for me so I'm sure its all in order. He mentioned to be careful when pulling the anchor up incase it lets go suddenly and swamps the boat. Would it be safe to attach the anchor to the stern for retrieval as a solution to that problem or is there another reason not to do that?

Trouble with the windows is that I have no Idea how to remove the seals... I'm guessing it involves a very thin blade but I'd probably ruin one before I learned how to do it properly.

Size matters to the drift anchor. A diameter from 1-1,20 should be enough for your RANA17. If its to small - the boat drift just faster - if its to big -> no problem. Retrieving is very easy - when you have two lines attached to the sea anchor (one for pulling back, one to "close" the parachute before pulling back...).

I always attach the anchor to the bow. I think attaching the anchor to the stern is - in case of bigger waves - not good. Water will maybe come into the boat when the waves hit the stern. Also the move of the boat in the waves will be much smoother when you have enough line out and the anchor attached to the bow (min. 2-3 time depth). Its also nicer for fishing to be in the "wind shadow" (don't know if you know what I mean) of the wheelhouse - because the bow will turn into the wind/waves normally.......

When I go fishing in the English channel, the stream is sometimes very fast. So pulling up the anchor by hand is "hard work" - especially when I'm alone and no one can "drive" the boat to the anchor. Theres an easy trick to pull the anchor up - without stress and additional equipment. How? Just have a look to this page here:

http://www.boat-angling.co.uk/Hints_and_Ti...at_handling.htm

I can't explain it better - and it works perfect.

BTW: the hole website and the book is very interesting, too ;-)

With this simple trick, you can retrieve the anchor from your cockpit - but keep it attached to the bow ;-)

In regard of the seals of your windows. I went to company called "carglass" - I think they are also known in norway. They pulled out the seals "for free" - and afterwards I sent a couple of EUR and they mounted the new windows with their tools within some minutes. But I think all boat shops will have these tools, too.

Best regards,

Mario

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Hi

[..]I take it that You deploy this drift anchor the opposite way?

[..] I got a 5kg bruce anchor today along with 8kg of chain and a buoy and various shackles etc.

[..]The plexiglass window in front of the steering console is a bit frosty and the one on the opposite side is

perfectly clear. [..]

Yes - the drift or sea anchor works if its fixed on the bow. The good thing is it will work even in deep water, where you can't use a normal anchor anymore - and its much easier to pull it back to the boat instead of pulling a normal anchor from the sea bottom up.....

The 5kg bruce anchor will be more than enough for your boat....

My RANA has safety glass in the front windows of the wheelhouse.

I renewed all other windows by my self. There's a plexiglas dealer here in my town - so I bought 6mm plexi and cutted the windows by myself. I used the older windows as mask. Just be careful with removing the rubber seal. Go to a car glass dealer - they have the right tools - than it's done within a minute....

Best regards,

woody

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Hi,

Perhaps I should carry a Bruce and a Grapnel anchor for differing substrates then.

I think anything less than 20 knots will drive me mad... could take hours just getting in and out of førlandsfjorden.

Your work and hobbies are quite different then... still it was a good job on the boat!

drift anchor -> maybe "sea anchor" is the better name for it. I have one with 1,30m diameter - it looks like a parachute. it works fine - even with strong wind.

Actually the bruce anchor is quite good over all - I never had problems...

20knots - hmm but only if the sea is calm

Yeah - my work is different from my hobbies - If I could, I would make my hobbies to my work - but it's hard to earn money with it

Best regards,

Woody

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Hi atomichaggis

How does one use a drag anchor in an emergency scenario?

I currently have 2 grapnel anchors, should I get another type?

I'm not so lucky with my boats fuel consumption vs speed...

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Had a look at your site, do you work in boatbuilding or composites?

A drift anchor is very useful if you have a heavy sea / strong wind - and your engine fails. Than a drift anchor is there to keep your bow "into" the waves. It stabilize the boat so that it can go through much higher waves than getting them from left or right....As an alternative - put a couple of lines (30-50m) out in the stern - it will have more or less the same effect - but a good sea anchor is just better.....

"grapnel anchors" are not good if you have sand or slick. On bottoms with stones I guess - they are ok...

I decided for a 5Kg Bruce M anchor. Its light compared to the holding load. I go often fishing in the English channel - here you have sand banks and streams up to 3-4 knots. So you need a good anchor for wreck fishing - or you will loose a lot of fishing gear.....

I would not put to much power to the boat. Speed is not everything. Keep it safe. With 35HP you will ahve a very good and fast boat I guess.

Actually - I studied electronics. But since 9 years I'm business consultant for startUp management and restructuring of companies. Currently I build up a company for Nano- and Micro-Particles.

Boats and fishing are just for fun. I try a lot of things by myself. Rebuilding an old boat is just one of those things

Greetings from Germany,

Woody

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Hi atomichaggis

There is a 22 going cheap on Karmøy now...

Was a 24 a while ago costing not much more than that one.

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I'll be glad of some cooler weather, I suffer in this heat.

[...]

I'm Living near haugesund in Tysvær kommune so if you make it over to this side of boknafjorden then its quite likely we can take a trip. Remind me in July and we'll see if we can arrange something... You do know some good fishing grounds right?

The list grows everyday... Safety box with flares etc. spare fuel tank, several hundred metres of rope, anchor chain, chart plotter/GPS/fish finder, fish boxes... what am I forgetting?

[...]

The boat looked similar to the 22 at finn.no - but it had a bit bigger wheelhouse. I like the style of these boats...

"Hot" weather is a horror for me, too. Last year my wife wanted to go to Slovenia - every day 35°C and more - it was no holiday at all...

I have some good places for the Boknafjord - of course

There are some good hot spots mentioned by friends and people out of the "norwegen-angelforum". I have also contact to a German guy, living in Stavanger. He is currently talking to some commercial fishers and will report some good places next week. My target is to catch some ling and lumb - on natural baits. But I also want to fish on cod, pollak and col. Fishing and boating is 50:50 - so I will have fun even without fish

Hmm - safety equipment?

Fire extinguisher, drift anchor, manual horn (if fog is comming...), MOB equipment (life belt, swinning line, light-buoy), first aid-seat - the list is long

Here is my list from the boat - sorry it's in German - I don't know if the translation button already works...:

http://www.maretech.de/mssilviaii/14-silvi...ng-an-bord.html

The driving cost was one of the important things. I can live with a displacement boat-speed of 7-8kn. The good side - only 2 Ltr./h diesel needed - that's it.....

Just stay online and keep in touch....

I send you a reminder with contact data via PM before I come to Norway.

Best regards,

Mario

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Hi atomichaggis

[...]

I think I've seen that Rolfsnes sjark advertised on finn.no... looks a real heavyweight, Perhaps if it was over its listed weight it has some water inside somewhere?

[...]

I have a feeling the weather will be just fine the whole summer through... Be sure to do a trip report after

your trip!

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It still has the original motor on, just a 25 Jonsohn seahorse. I shall start saving for a 4 stroke next... probably a 35-40hp.

[...]

The rolfsnes sjark story was in 2005. I did not see the boat again. The wooden boats alway have a bit more weight than the GFKs - but I got the guaranty from the seller inthe contract - so he payed the expense

I hope the weather will be ok next month - but it's norway - right?

The trip report will be done - of course....

Are you located in Haugesund? What's about a trip together next month?

I would leave the engine "as is" if its ok and invest in other stuff like safety equipment etc.

A boat is alway a "black hole" for money

See you (maybe) in Norway !

Best regards,

Woody

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I now own an 86 Rana 17!!!

congratulations !!!! Right decision.....

I hope you will have a lot of fun with her.....

What engine is installed?

Best regards,

Woody

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Hi atomichaggis

What kind of car are you towing your boat with?

There is a lot of cheap wooden sjarks around... they must weigh an incredible amount tho. Rana do a nice plastic one but it aint cheap!

The Rana 16 US is quite a temptation, I'm liking the high freeboard... that helps with rough seas. I can't tell from the pics but the V at the front suggest its quite heavilly keeled as well, so should have good directional stability too.

I hope to be out on boknafjord soon... missed too much good weather already!

I have a Hyundai Terracan - it can pull 3,5t. So there is still some reserve ;-)

It's 2,9 ltr. CDI 4 cyl. Diesel - the best car I ever had. The good thing is the reduction gear - so I can pull the boat out of the water with very low speed and more or less no stress....

Actually - I'm a wood fan. I build even a wodden house ;-))

The first boat I wanted to buy in Norway was a 24ft Rolfnses Sjark. Nice and strong wooden boat with aluminum wheelhouse. It was in Skundeshavn. After trying to pull the boat on the trailer, I stopped and they ordered a cran and a scale. After removing approx. 400kg ballast - the boat was still 3.2 to - instead of the 1,6 what was promised in the contract....

I used some smaller rental boats with 14-16ft on the Baltic sea. Mostly Ryds-Boats. After the experience with 6-7bft on the little belt - I would say - never below 17ft min. The stability is mostly driven by the length of the boat and hull form. But if you drive the boat as a "displacement boat" in bad conditions - any millimeter hull length counts ;-))

Actually I will be in Rennesoy next moth from the 05-19. July. So Boknafjord, and also a trip to Kvitsoy is on "my plan". Maybe - if the weather is ok - I want to go to Skudneshavn - but we will see.....

Hope you find the right boat very soon !

Best regards,

Woody

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Hi atomichaggis

the problem here in Germany was simply, that there are no displacement boats available - so I had to look far away to the north - Denmark and Norway. Actually I was twice in Norway for a Sjark - but the first time the boat was twice the weight than promised by the seller....so I drove back with an empty trailer.....

long story....

The RANA 16 from your link looks pretty good. When the engine is ok - the price with trailer is ok I guess.

I would not go below 16ft - otherwise the boat will be very "sensitive" and will not go nicely with slow speed.

In "rough seas" 16ft is already small.....

Hope you find the right boat.

Maybe we see each other next moth on the Boknafjord

Greetings from Germany,

Woody

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Nice boat Woody! I have been considering the Rana 18' cabin and the 22' snekke like yours but I've run into a problem with moorings...[...]

Hi atomichaggis,

thanks for the "flowers"

I live near Aachen - so far away from the sea. I always take by trailer to the north- or baltic sea. In this size and weight it's a bit tricky - but still cheaper and more flexible instead of having it alway at the same place.

With a 17-17ft boat there will be no problem at all....

BTW:

I found my boat at finn.no - and yes, it was a long trip to get her (2400km).

A RANA 17 is a pretty nice and stable boat. It should be possible to get one - its just a question of time and budget .

So fingers cross and good luck!

Best regards,

Mario

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Hi atomichaggis

.....maybe a bit oversized and offtopic....but I looked to a lot of boats in the last couple of years - it's hard to find the right one....

I compared so many boats from UK, Germany, Netherlands and Denmark.

Finally, I decided for a 30 year old RANA22 Snekker with a 23HP VOLVO MD11C - I bought it in Dobrak and after one year restauration I carry the boat now everywhere on a 2,5t trailer.

Next month I will be in Rennesoy - long trip from home (1800km) - but no problem with the right car

I overhauled the boat completely and I was totally surprised, that this old RANA had more or less no osmose at all - after more than 30 years in water!

So - I would always buy a RANA again !

Some pictures here:

http://www.maretech.de/galerie/2-Restauration.html

Here is the boat before the first trail in Denmark:

Best regards and greeting from Germany.

Woody

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Hi all,

I will be in Sjobergferie / Rennesoy in July (05-19). I will have my own boat (a RANA 22 SJARK) with me so I'm quite flexible.

I like deep fishing (100-150m) on kabeljau, ling, tusk. Especially catfish would be great to catch.

But also some fishing on Makrel / Saithe / Pollack will be fine, too. Most important - "some" fish and fun without stress

My areas of interesst are: Boknafjord, Hidleford

Maybe also some place in the direction of Kvitsoy or Karmoy, between the island Rennesoy, Monsteroy, Finnoy etc. I'm used to drive a couple of hours by boat to the fishing grounds

It would be great to get some good GPS positions or informations about these areas for fishing.

If you like to go out fishing - be my guest and guide There will be always a place free in my boat.....

Thanks / Takk for your support.

Best regards,

woody